9 Jun 2008

The Yes Campaign people were so busting-their-guts about Declan Ganley’s success in effectively communicating legitimate concerns about the substance of the Lisbon Treaty they resorted, as all pseudo-intellectual elites do when the hoi-polloi are in danger of thinking for themselves, to the Mud Raking Conspiracy.

Apparently, because Ganley once met a retired mid ranking US Airforce bureaucrat who’d discovered a loophole in some legislation which led to a secret meeting with some Eskimos which permitted mobile phones to be installed in Iraq which turned seven people in Galway into neo-cons, the whole No Campaign is a disgusting attempt to suck us into a nuclear attack on Iran. Or something.

Oh, these bloomin’ conspiracy theorists! Why, that’s just like saying some prominent Yes Campaigner – oh, I don’t know… say, former head of the WTO (as well as every other international globalisation quango ever invented) Peter Sutherland – is part of a giant world domination conspiracy, just because he’s a core member of the Bilderberg Group. (Bilderberg – you know, the most elitist (some say sinister) private club in the world which counts amongst its members a smattering of former and soon to be U.S. presidents, uber neo-cons Paul Woflowitz and Donald Rumsfeld, some German Chancellors, British Prime Ministers and (Lisbon Treaty author) Valerie Giscard D’Estaing, not to mention the CEO’s of the world’s biggest corporations, conglomerates and banks and which meets privately every year to impose/discuss strategies to protect the western political-economic way of life from communists and Islamists). Because that would be stupid.

On the other hand, were we to let our imaginations wander for a sec, the presence of a teensy-weensy global pro Lisbon conspiracy might help us to understand why Sutherland, such an unbelievably smart man and probably the only person in the country who really actually understands the Lisbon Treaty, does sometimes have some inexplicably Bilderberg Avatar moments.

Like that time when he said that by voting no Ireland would be ‘sleepwalking into catastrophe’: was the ‘catastrophe’ he had in mind the fact that he wouldn’t get the plum Euro President job which prominent Bilderbergers would like to see him get? And last week when, in a moment of apocryphal acid-trippery he said ‘a sense of outrage would permeate Europe’ if we vote Lisbon down, was he really thinking about the fall from eminence he’s currently suffering as the Bilderberg Gang get together for their annual gossip outside Washington D.C. at this very moment? (Curious timing, by the way.) And when he said that the Lisbon Treaty was necessary to tackle climate change, did he forget that he is currently the boss of BP?

Okay, now let’s drop this stupid Jim-Corr-type nonsense and get back to reality.

So, where were we? Oh yes, in an igloo with that dreadful Mr. Ganley hatching plans for world domination with the Eskimos…

Tuesday, 10 June 2008 14:33:24 (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Garry, I'm in the don't know category re the Lisbon Treaty, and having wavered between Yes and No for some time, the pendulum is leaning towards Yes.

I believe there are plusses and minuses to the Treaty. There will definitely be things we don't like about it, but other things that we will be thankful for. The political parties have made an incredible mess of the Yes campaign, not having learned a thing from the Nice Treaty escapade.

I still don't quite understand the Treaty, only the interpretations of it that have been given to us by various politicians and parties. The Referendum Commission should have had online videos explaining what the whole thing is about. In this day and age, what planet are they on, not to be using such strategies?

I need some strong arguments to vote No.

Cheers, PL

Tuesday, 10 June 2008 15:12:28 (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Paul, thanks for the nicely put together comment.

I couldn't agree with you more on the fact that the Yes campaign made an awful mess of things - they could have won this thing easily if they'd shown more respect for the public. Completely agree too on the fact that the Referendum Commission didn't make a huge effort to explain the intricacies of the text.

I spent a whole weekend in March (I think it was) going through the treaties of Rome and Maastricht as well as the amendments to these which, in total, go to make up the Lisbon Treaty. I must confess I went into the operation with a 'no' bias but the exercise did nothing to change my mind.

On the presumption that the Sweden v Greece encounter this evening isn't that exciting, I'm going to jot down some ideas as to why I think a no vote is the better way to go and post them tomorrow.

Maybe I can pursuade you!

G
Garry
Tuesday, 10 June 2008 19:54:10 (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Garry

Stop bashing the yes side all the time. Ireland needs Europe more than Europe needs Ireland. I'm moving back to France if we vote no. Ridiculous little fucking country most of whose inhabitants are too drunk most of the time to make a rational decision about anything.


Fintan.
fintan duffy
Tuesday, 10 June 2008 21:46:01 (GMT Standard Time, UTC+00:00)
Fintan! What's with the 'f' word? Dix Euros in the swear box, s'il te plais! (And, by the way, I'm disappointed that you didn't suss out the 'Canular' interview thing from a couple of weeks ago. I was depending on you to expose me as the narcissistic little fraud that I really am but you didn't rise to the bait. Instead, I keep getting complimentary emails from naive, nice people who have no idea what I'm actually like and haven't got a word of French. Go find the post and give me a good roasting, if you wouldn't mind.)

Europe doesn't need Ireland. But Ireland doesn't really need Europe, or anyone else either for that matter, either. What Ireland needs is decent, honest Irish people (like yourself and, I hope, myself) to come together in a spirit of love, trust and pride to work together to make this soeciety all it can be.

We've been given a piece of paradise. It's magic. It's our obligation to fight for its best interests both for the little community we belong to as well as for the future of our children. Yes, we've a lot of jackasses in our midst: but why should you go back to France as the result of a vote when, working together, we can force the ninnies off the island and away to some timeshare in the Algarve?

I'm absolutely not anti Europe. But the Lisbon Treaty isn't good enough to warrent support.
Garry
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